Why Haven’t They Done That Yet
So in an earlier post, I discussed PBIS and how it is ineffective in schools. The jumping off point for this post will be a research report studying PBIS using a Randomized Controlled Trial. Spoiler alert: PBIS does not work. It does not work in adults, and it does not work in children. It is unfair and ineffective for individuals with autism, intellectual disability, or any number of neurocognitive/developmental disorders. Also, PBIS reinforces antisocial and narcissistic behavior and can often punish students with rewards (yes, I agree with Alfie Kohn on that one).
After this analysis of PBIS, I will provide evidence-based, alternative strategies to help reduce challenging, anti-social, or dangerous behaviors. These will be based on my experience as well as the application of models that I respect (e.g., TCI and MANDT, Collaborative and Proactive Solutions) and explicit refutations of methods derived from models that I view as problematical (e.g., DIR/Floortime/Pivotal Response Training, Applied Behavioral Analysis)
I will cover this article from the following assumption: PBIS rewards the kids and adults that do not need to be rewarded because they already know how to behave correctly for different situations and simultaneously punishes both students that need rewards to learn how to behave correctly as well as the well-behaved students!
The following article will be discussed briefly:
Hassiotis, A., Poppe, M., Strydom, A., Vickerstaff, V., Hall, I., Crabtree, J., . . . Crawford, M. (2018). Clinical outcomes of staff training in positive behaviour support to reduce challenging behaviour in adults with intellectual disability: Cluster randomised controlled trial. The British Journal of Psychiatry, 212(3), 161-168. doi:10.1192/bjp.2017.34
Randomized Controlled Trial (RCT) of PBIS
This is a critical article since it uses the gold-standard method from clinical research to empirically test the efficacy (or inefficacy) of PBIS for adults with intellectual disability. I find this relevant to K-12 education as many practitioners of ABA consider ABA methods valid in adults with Intellectual disabilities (ID) the same as it is in children under 18.
Overall, this article is impactful since it demonstrated that training in PBIS is insufficient to reduce challenging behaviors in adults with ID. The researchers were unable to find any benefit relative to the control group.
Here is the abstract that gives all the relevant information (and is more succinct than I can ever make it):
Staff training in positive behaviour support (PBS) is a widespread treatment approach for challenging behaviour in adults with intellectual disability.
To evaluate whether such training is clinically effective in reducing challenging behaviour during routine care (trial registration: NCT01680276).
We carried out a multicentre, cluster randomised controlled trial involving 23 community intellectual disability services in England, randomly allocated to manual-assisted staff training in PBS (n = 11) or treatment as usual (TAU, n = 12). Data were collected from 246 adult participants.
No treatment effects were found for the primary outcome (challenging behaviour over 12 months, adjusted mean difference = −2.14, 95% CI: −8.79, 4.51) or secondary outcomes.
Staff training in PBS, as applied in this study, did not reduce challenging behaviour. Further research should tackle implementation issues and endeavour to identify other interventions that can reduce challenging behaviour.
Declaration of interest
The researchers did find that the PBIS interventions were rated weak by an independent assessor and they suggested there may have been implementation issues underlying this lack of effect. So more research is needed to know for sure if PBIS is effective or not.
If you are interested in having a copy of the paper and you do not have access, send me an email, and I will get it to you.
My Interpretation of these data
Overall, I interpret the data in the paper as valid because I have never actually seen PBIS administered according to the plan. There is always a scattered application of principles, inconsistency in administration across days, and limited buy-in from the clients/students. PBIS also ignores human nature by demanding everyone maintain a positive mood and hide any frustration with a student’s naughty behavior.
My more in-depth interpretation is a reiteration of my earlier post on PBIS as well as my posts on classroom management. The PBIS method is far too easy to get wrong. It is far too easy to use consequences or the threat of consequences to motivate behavior (e.g., threatening a kid that they will not get a reward unless they comply). For individuals with ID, reinforcement has to be 100% correlated with good behavior and if there is punishment it has to be 100% correlated with the inappropriate behavior. No deviation and no gap between behavior and consequence. Otherwise, the system falls apart.
Importantly, if a system is based on using external rewards/stimuli to motivate behavior, falling apart takes the form of behavioral outbursts and frustration from the student or client.
It is far too easy for any of us to reward one student for a given behavior and not another student for the exact same behavior; we do it all the time as teachers. This inconsistency and violation of expectation justifiably cause distrust, frustration, and anger.
Unfortunately, this type of asymmetrical reward is a feature, not a bug, of PBIS. PBIS uses asymmetrical reward as a motivational tool, to the detriment of the students that struggle with their comportment. And, take my word on this, no one can identify and rebel against an unfair system as efficiently as a kid or adult with ID, except perhaps an autistic person. They know the system is unfair!
The Problems I Identify with PBiS
I have been scouring the internet to find research and work that supports my hypotheses about why PBIS tends to be ineffective. I finally found a professional resource that offers a competing program to PBIS. They even will come to schools and train them in the system free of charge! It is the Discipline Without Stress model developed by Dr. Marvin Marshall.
His methods can be summed up by saying we need to reduce the day to day stress experienced by students to help them succeed. Teachers reduce stress by getting rid of rules and replacing them with procedures. This shifts the teacher from an authoritarian role regarding behavior and places them in an instructional position.
This is not unlike methods that I have developed in populations with autism, behavior/emotional disorders, and in socioemotional/behavior unit classes. I will be describing my model and implementation while referring to the Discipline Without Stress and Collaborative and Proactive Solutions models as well as MANDT and TCI principles regarding escalation cycles and approaches helpful for defusing potentially explosive situations.
How to Punish a Student Using Rewards
To start of my issues with PBIS, I will refer to what Alfie Kohn has written about rewards in school. As I see it, using external rewards/stimuli in school to motivate appropriate behavior has three major flaws:
- Rewards effectively punish people who believe they have deserved/earned reward but did not receive one
- Rewards change the nature of motivation from intrinsic to extrinsic, so students seek out motivation from adults rather than self-motivating
- Rewarding young people for appropriate behavior fosters narcissism by causing kids to ask themselves, “If I do what you want me to do, what will you give me?”
- Rewards for good behavior cause students to compete against each other for rewards and to be noticed. There is no way the teacher can see all rewardable behavior. The dark side of this flaw is that students start tattling on each other and bullying other students to gain favor and attention to increase rewards (again fostering antisocial and narcissistic behaviors).
- Rewarding praise is often used to motivate students. Given we are a very verbally communicative species, this is hazardous.
I know this last one is hard to grasp. We are told that praise is always good. We are told we should be praising 3-5 times a minute. That is not entirely the case. We often use our “praise” and other nice words to accomplish our own ends, not to build up the student. This is not praise, it is manipulation. The kids know this.
The below list from Dr. Marvin Marshall outlines the issues with so-called toxic praise better than I can.
HERE ARE TWENTY POTENTIAL PERILS OF PRAISE
1. Praise prompts a dependence on others for approval.
2. Praising youth can increase learned helplessness if young people rely on approval in lieu of their own motivation.
3. Praise can generate disappointment for those who don’t receive it when others do. Experts call this “punished by praise.”
4. When teachers tell students they are good because they know a right answer, young people can logically conclude that they are bad when they do not know the right answer. This equating of knowledge with goodness is dangerous.
5. Young people grow to depend on praise—and may even demand it.
6. When praising behavior that adults want to encourage, the message is that poor behavior is the norm. Young people often live up to such expectations.
7. Praising youth often discourages creativity if the young become more concerned about pleasing others or conforming to adults’ expectations than on finding their own solutions to problems.
8. Praise can make some children fearful of not being able to live up to expectations.
9. When adults use praise as a technique for influencing young people to choose some desirable behavior, the youth often perceive their words as insincere.
10. When adults praise students every time they sit up straight, wait in line, listen, or engage in routine behaviors, they often start to experience the praise as silly or irrelevant.
11. Young people who become accustomed to receiving frequent praise come to interpret the absence of praise as a negative evaluation.
12. Praise given to one person, or even to a few, often is translated by the others as a negative evaluation of themselves.
13. Praising some children in front of their peers can be counterproductive if these youngsters experience the attention as embarrassing.
14. Praise given to have children feel better can prompt a loss of faith in themselves and become discouraged.
15. The practice of profusely praising low-performing students for trivial accomplishments can perpetuate their putting forth minimal effort.
16. Praise given to students for minimal performance can actually worsen, not improve their functioning.
17. Students may doubt their own ability or lose confidence if they perceive that their performance does not warrant praise. This leads students to have thoughts such as, “The teacher must really think I’m hopeless if I’m praised for that!” or “How could the teacher think that was good?”
18. When a youngster is experiencing a problem, it is often accompanied by personal dissatisfaction. Praising here either goes “unheard,” has the youngster feel that the adult doesn’t really understand, or provokes an even stronger defense of the person’s low self-evaluation.
19. If the praise does not fit with the child’s self-image, it can invoke resentment as the youngster may perceive it as an attempt at manipulation.
20. When a person feels that the praise is not sincere, but delivered to manipulate behaving in a certain way, it can undermine intrinsic motivation.
Hopefully, you can understand a bit better now the often easily misunderstood concept that praise and rewards are not always a good thing. And, in fact, praise and rewards can be dangerous when used to control or coerce behavior. They tend to backfire.
PBIS is Coercion
This is an argument usually used for Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA), but it applies to PBIS as well. Because PBIS emphasizes the use of tangible rewards and teacher praise to motivate “appropriate” behavior, it often escapes this description.
Coercion: The action or practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
– Oxford English Dictionary
I say PBIS is coercive for a couple of reasons. The first is that I hear a lot of the following in schools: “Johnny, if you do not come in from recess I cannot give you a star!”, “If you do not stop misbehaving you will not get any green tickets,” “I will have to erase one of your stars unless you get to work” and so on. These get even more prevalent when teachers use Class Dojo and have easy access to the point system.
These statements are threats, plain and simple. The hazard is not of harm, but of not getting something desirable. In this case, lack of a reward is defined as a negative punishment using ABA’s dictionary. So, teachers that use the PBIS or classwide point system as a method to control behavior rather than as a simple tally of prosocial or expected behaviors are, in fact, using a response cost system.
Secondly, PBIS systems focus on “positive reinforcement systems,” but they always include punitive measures. This can be predetermined fines or loss of points in classwide economy systems, the receipt of a red ticket or red dojo that comes with a loss of privilege, filling out yellow or red think sheets attached to the student’s home note, or trips to the office after these first methods are exhausted. Obviously, these are used more on students still learning how to behave than the rest of their peers in the classroom.
In my experience in PBIS schools, teachers are trained to give class dollars liberally and then are trained to willingly and liberally fine students class dollars for misbehavior (or even charge them to use the restroom). Teachers very quickly learn how to “zap” kids with a fine or a red dojo to get them back in compliance. The focus is on compliance. Not socioemotional well-being, anxiety reduction, teaching prosocial behavior, or lack of stress. Compliance. Obedience.
The overall focus of PBIS is obedience or compliance with rules leading to a reward. The flip side of that coin is there is a lack of rewards or outright punishment administered for noncompliance. The pressure of complying with this system turns kids into ticking time bombs. Having to focus on compliance with school-wide and classroom rules stresses kids out and causes them to enter a state of anxiety when they come to school. In fact, I have seen this escalate to the point the school building itself was a trigger for panic attacks.
Stress and anxiety hamper learning, and they are just plain not good for kids. Kids with excellent coping skills can handle this, but students that have a more stressful home life, come from lower socioeconomic statuses, are refugees, students still learning English, etc. often misbehave because they cannot handle the stress. Not because they are bad kids. In fact, the very system that purports to help them is the primary cause and trigger for their behavior!
More generally, any program can be successful or not depending on how it is implemented. My primary problem with PBIS is that it relies on adults in authority positions (external motivators or manipulators depending upon the situation) to foster long-term responsibility. The take-home point here is not that PBIS is ineffective; it is that PBIS promotes, “What’s in it for me if I do what you want me to do?” and “What will happen to me if I don’t?” thinking. PBIS, by design, also promotes competition for rewards, rather than the collaborative skills that we should be teaching our students. Additionally, if a student does all that is expected and does not receive the reward, that student feels as if they have been punished by that missing reward. PBIS is a return to ABA-flavored behaviorism that completely ignores and actively neglects “internal motivation.” Again, my point is not that PBIS is a terrible idea per se but that it completely ignores the long-range effects of the narcissism it fosters.
How I would fix/replace PBIS
My approach to fixing or addressing these issues is actually quite simple in theory. This approach is based on working in special education classrooms with challenging students. I will discuss each of these points in the next sections.
- Eliminate School-wide and Classroom Rules. Rules are a dare to kids and really only exist to be challenged, nit-picked, and broken
- Teach (over teach) all essential daily procedures for the classroom as well as the school. No process is too small to illustrate
- Eliminate classroom economies, class dojo, clip-charts, behavior charts, and response cost charts. These are biased against the students they are supposed to motivate
- Reduce teacher administered praise and rewards to the absolute minimum necessary for the grade level. It is okay to give lots of praise in Kindergarten, but it should taper off by second grade
- All praise is for behavioral choices and is stated in a way to help build student confidence and intrinsic motivation, not to notify them the teacher is pleased
- Whenever possible, students need to be provided with a choice, be it behavioral or academic
- Disruptive and maladaptive behaviors are handled through conversations about choices and consequences. Use Collaborative and Proactive Solutions to work toward lasting behavioral change
- Provide all students weekly lessons in socioemotional health and well-being that are responsive to the needs of each grade
- Student Escalation and Crisis should be managed according to principles included in TCI and MANDT programs
I know this is a lot and seems counterintuitive, or at least flies in the face of what we are all taught about behavior management in school. I promise I will explain everything below.
Eliminate School-wide and Classroom Rules. Rules are a dare to kids and really only exist to be challenged, nit-picked, and broken
To respond to the obvious question: Yes, I am serious, and I have thought this through.
I have spent a lot of time having to explain to teachers why they needed to have clearly posted rules and expectations on their walls as part of my job, all the time knowing it was at best a silly idea. Students often see those five rules put on the wall at the front of the class as challenges or outright dares to be disobedient. The smart, well-behaved students will search out technicalities within the rules. The average student will just break the rules when the teacher is not there (i.e., when there is a substitute), and the “naughty” ones, well, they will actively break the rules because that is what they do.
The main problem with rules is not just that they exist to be broken, but that since they are rules, the teacher cannot let any disobedience go unconsequenced if they are to remain in control of the classroom. That is classroom management 101. I see teachers go free and loose with their classroom rules for a while, but when the time comes that they need to enforce one of the rules they end up with a revolt and the teacher has to scream down their class. Alternately, I see teachers that implement their classroom rules every day with fidelity, and the students are not happy to be there–and neither is the teacher. It is an antagonistic relationship at best.
So…to repeat it. Do not post rules in your classroom or in the school hallways. Just don’t.
Teach (over teach) all essential daily procedures for the classroom as well as the school. No process is too small to illustrate
This is the solution for getting rid of rules. I, much like the model from Dr. Marvin Marshall, believe in over teaching classroom procedures. By over teach, I mean go over these classroom procedures until the students can do what is expected without having to think about it.
When the students know all the procedures associated with the school and classroom, they are more comfortable. They know where to go, how to talk, to whom (and when) they should speak, etc. This gets rid of a lot of the anxiety associated with the school, particularly in the lower grades when talking to adults can be terrifying.
Additionally, when a student neglects to or forgets to, follow the procedure, this places the teacher in the role of, well, a teacher. This is different than when the teacher has to enforce a rule. In that situation, they are an authority figure and an agent of punishment. For both intentional and unintentional errors in performing procedures, there is always practice and getting better at it.
Teachers should teach. Let’s give them permission and encouragement to teach, rather than punish, “naughty” kids.
Eliminate classroom economies, class dojo, clip-charts, behavior charts, and response cost charts
Yes. I mean this. For kindergarten and first grade, there is a certain amount of praise and reward that is necessary to develop self-motivation. However, as we move into higher and higher grades, the students no longer actually need this external input to guide them.
I will refer to an earlier blog post of mine that explains why I believe that reward charts, and especially publicly displayed clip charts that use a color scale need to be gotten rid of (and preferably destroyed by fire). They do much more harm than good. And they are terribly biased against kids that have a hard time behaving in class.
Reduce teacher administered praise and rewards to the absolute minimum necessary for the grade level
When kids are very young, they do need the input from others to understand what expected and unexpected behaviors are. Once they know a particular response is appropriate, they do not need that input. So why do we still give it? Are we really that happy that Johnny is sitting in his pockets? Or is it a façade we put on to manipulate the child’s behavior?
When a child needs feedback, give it. But to reward and praise simply because we are supposed to, is a problem. If we provide unnecessary feedback to students, we run the risk of making them less independent than they would be otherwise. If a student knows a behavior is expected, they are capable of self-reinforcing their behavior because they know they were doing a good job. If we do not let them figure this out for themselves and persist with external reinforcement, this intrinsic reinforcement will never happen.
Finally, when someone learns feedback will occur contingent upon a specific behavior, they expect it. When it does not come, students become frustrated since their expectation has been violated. This is what Alfie Kohn means when he uses the terms, “Punished by Rewards” and “Punished by Praise.”
Here is an example of this from Dr. Marvin Marshall
First, there is nothing in PBIS that mandates the teacher must give the rewards. Have the students perform the task. When the responsibility is handled by students, they soon realize how unfair it is to reward some students who do what the teacher desires but not reward others who behave the same way. It is impossible to find every student who deserves to be rewarded.
I learned this many years ago when my brother consulted with me. He told me that his daughter, Susan, had done everything the teacher required but did not get a reward when others did. Susan felt punished. She was, as Alfie Kohn titled his book, “Punished by Rewards.”
Second, once the students are put in charge and other students start to complain, simply ask the class if they want to continue the practice. Ask if they are mature enough to realize that doing the right thing simply because it is the right thing to do is enough satisfaction (Level D on the Hierarchy of Social Development) or if they still need to be externally motivated (Level C of the Hierarchy of Social Development).
Empowering students by giving them the choice prompts them to reflect on whether they need some external manipulation for doing what is expected.
Notice how the three practices of DISCIPLINE WITHOUT STRESS are employed: (1) You are positive, (2) You have given the students a choice, and (3) You have prompted them to reflect. In addition, you will have taught the difference between external and internal motivation. This understanding, and being able to articulate the difference between the two types of motivation, helps young people understand their own motivation.
Learning requires motivation, and understanding one’s motivation is empowering.
All praise is for behavior and is stated in a way to help build student confidence, not to notify them the teacher is pleased
This is actually a simple concept we all get wrong. When we give positive feedback, we need to word it as, “Johnny, you just did a great job persevering during math” rather than as “Johnny, I appreciate you worked hard during math.” We usually forget when we praise, it is not about us! It is about the student and their self-esteem.
To put it succinctly, praise by explaining how great the behavior was. DO NOT say, “I noticed that…” “I am happy that…” “I like that…” basically just never use the word, “I” while giving praise. Praise should be feedback, not manipulation.
We need to help students understand that they should feel a sense of pride and happiness for their accomplishment. Not that the student should worry about whether their behavior pleases me or makes me happy.
Whenever possible, students need to be provided with a choice, be it behavioral or academic
I love this sketch because it shows just how persistent a person can be if given even the myth of choice. Just keep track of how long the customer is engaged, even in the face of complete disappointment.
As weird as it sounds, students love being given choices, even when between two unpalatable options. Offer them multiple options or choices for how to handle problems. Let them do one worksheet before another. Let them change seats between two options you are okay with. It builds confidence. Kids like choices. Just do not push them too far or start giving unpalatable choices or the kids will shut down and fight receiving choices.
Don’t do what they in the clip below. Giving kids an infinite number of unpalatable choices results in tantrums and belligerence.
Disruptive and maladaptive behaviors are handled through conversations about choices and consequences. Use Collaborative and Proactive Solutions to work toward lasting behavioral change
My post on Collaborative and Proactive Solutions explained in detail why I think this model should be used. Dr. Ross Greene focuses on general education classrooms, but from experience, I know that it works like a charm with autistic kids and in special education settings.
Basically, students often do not yet understand how to be good. They lack the skills. So we need to teach them. If they made a poor choice, we help them to understand this and guide them in a very Socratic way toward their own solution that sounds reasonable to both the teacher and the student.
Provide all students weekly lessons in socioemotional health and well-being that are responsive to the needs of each grade
I am a huge believer in explicitly teaching students coping skills. I have worked in multiple Title 1 schools that had large ELL (English Language Learner) and refugee populations. Many of these kids came from challenging life circumstances and lacked the necessary socioemotional regulation to function day to day. I also have worked in schools in affluent areas that have students that live in seemingly idyllic circumstances. However, life is hard, or they are coddled, and thus they also lack the requisite skills to navigate life and school stresses.
In all cases, these students benefit from being taught lessons from social and emotional learning curriculum. I have worked in school teams that used SMART Kids/CHAMPS, Boys Town, Superheroes Social Skills, and Social Thinking. I think all of these programs are great when modified for the group by a skilled teacher or counselor trained in addressing the social and emotional needs of students.
This can only help the kids. It also can give the teacher a break from teaching academics to talk about feelings and share experiences with the kids, thus building trust and strengthening the relationship.
Student Escalation and Crisis should be managed according to principles included in TCI and MANDT programs
Despite all the above, some kids are going to explode. It is inevitable and should not be feared. If we know how to safely help a child de-escalate (or even help them get over their escalation and meltdowns by providing a safe space), handling these situations can become just another part of the day.
These methods have been developed in populations with autism and behavior/emotional disorders as well as in socioemotional/behavior unit classes. I use MANDT and TCI principles regarding escalation cycles to defuse potentially explosive situations.
To describe how to address these situations, I refer you to a blog post I wrote on how not to make these difficult situations worse.
My take-home point is this. We do not need to use a carrot and stick mentality to keep kids in line at school. We need to treat them with respect and help them grow as young people. They will then not only develop their personality but also learn how to navigate school and other social situations without depending on external feedback every step of the way.
This should be our goal. Not a quiet classroom.
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Heya i am for the first time here. I came across this board and I find It truly useful & it helped me out much. I hope to give something back and aid others like you aided me.
Truly you do not understand the purpose and scope of PBIS. You demonstrate that by suggesting several fixes for PBIS that are important pieces to PBIS – teaching of the classroom structure, giving students choice, etc..
You are correct in saying “There is always a scattered application of principles, inconsistency in administration across days…”. This is the #1 reason a “PBIS School” fails.
The reward system and frequent use of praise is actually for the adults. Simply saying “Good Job” or “You’re right” has been understood as ineffective for many years/decades and PBIS, like most best practices, states you need to give meaningful praise, such as “Dr. you really did an amazing job formulating your thesis and finding information that fits your perspective.” This could be followed up with some coaching, “Dr., I suggest you do a little more research into the depth of the PBIS program to see what’s there to challenge that thesis.” Finally adding, “And your organization definitely fits the requirements of making a good argument.” Two positives wrapping constructive feedback.
PBIS is not designed to prevent bad behavior, it’s for the teaching of the expectations in each area that uses a common language. Just as you applaud teaching the rituals of the classroom you are applauding PBIS. When a student acts out we respectfully engage the student with management techniques used by many teachers. The one’s we don’t embarrass, shame, nor do we threaten to withhold coupons or prizes.
We then track the negative behavior and intervene with the 15% of the students who need coaching, mentoring, discipline, behavior plans, etc.
It’s easy to get all jacked up about the rewards systems if you don’t understand the whole thing. It’s made an unimaginable difference in our school and each year we learn more and more about how to better manage and help students who are having behavior issues, AND giving our students the meaningful praise they need, not just an “Atta Boy/Girl!”
I appreciate your comment and am happy your school has an implementation of a schoolwide management system that seems both positive and helpful. It sounds like you are running a nice ship. I truly hope the students agree.
Sadly, and this gets to my point, as trained and evaluated for fidelity, PBIS as an entity is not exactly how you describe your system – yours is better!
You seen to have taken the concept of toxic rewards out of the picture and use teaching and character building as the core of your system. That’s great!
My one piece of advice is this. If you do bracket critisicm or feedback with praise statements with students, try your best to refrain from insincere or sarcastic praise like your example.
Research in special education shown repeatedly that those behaviors during praise result in worse outcomes than just giving the feedback.
Well, I train schools in implementing PBIS at all three tiers of intervention, and while I believe that PBIS is helpful as a framework for site-based problem solving, the issues involved with equitably and respectfully implementing PBIS are valid. While PBIS could be about uncovering values at the core of our work and helping each other live those values out loud, it often devolves into a coercive system that marginalized our students’ and families’ voices. I’ll help organizations develop systems for positive feedback, but never will I help them create a store or token economy. I’ll help them develop consistent expectations, but only if they involve their families and students (and especially BIPOC families/students) in the creation / revision process. I’ll help schools develop protocols for behavior interventions, but only if they connect with what we know about behavior change (hint: it’s never about punishing or incentivizing). PBIS is 50 years old and is about to age into irrelevance if those who practice it can’t evolve into current best practice.
You are fair is pointing out the sarcasm in my bracketing, but it was meant to point out that you’re missing the scope of PBIS.
I did not make it clear that we do coupons, rewards and reward days. That system is part of the Tier I and teaching expectations right along side the giving of the praise and accumulating rewards. It’s also a part of non-confrontational (eliminate the power struggle) reference to the expectations when they are not being met.
We want positives at a 5 to 1 ratio and we do not escalate the emotion or confrontation. If a student does, then they are asked to go (or in some cases removed) to a place they can calm down and that supervisor then reviews the events of the day with the student.
A lot of the time, at the high school level, we are praising behavior that our referral data is showing we are having issues with in one (or many) areas. Generally there’s always a classroom issue going on (Let’s say cellphone abuse), so our teachers would look to praise those doing things correctly in a specific way. It’s communicated and then the coupon is awarded. We encourage mass awarding, once a week if the teacher communicates specifically why they are getting the coupons.
But it goes back to teaching the expectations; posting the expectations; and framing their classroom expectations through the lens of the district’s. The rewards are simply a vehicle to engage the teachers with the students more frequently in a positive way as we are all good at the “constructive”.
How do I find a school that is not brainwashed by PBIS? I’ve been googling for over an hour and all I see is the same duplicate content. I’m willing to move to one of the 6 states that do not use this system, but I cannot figure out which states don’t use it. I find this to be terrifying.
Usually I end up asking the school secretary if they have any school-wide behavior systems. Even in Utah-a PBiS state-about half the schools do not use PBiS. They say it isn’t needed. Emailing school counselors and/or social workers also can be helpful.
What you describe as better practices are PBIS. The issues you have pointed out do cause problems because of misinterpretation of the frame work. The core of PBIS is to teach/model expectations/procedures as you indicate. Having been exposed to many behavior intervention models they all follow that basic principle. PBIS fails because people focus too much and pervert the idea of acknowledging positive behavior and neglect the teaching aspect. You’re not wrong that it fails but it is most definitely an implementation issue to the bone.
I would really love to hear your thoughts regarding Specials teachers and what we can do. I see each class for 30 minutes, once every three days. I do not have time for a socio emotional lesson and am somewhat at the mercy of the structures established by the General Teachers through sheer hours of time which is not at my disposal. I have always disagreed with PBIS, yet the trouble is, I struggle to make most methods work in a very short class period with days of time between each meeting. I tend to rely on short and simple procedures with quick negative consequences such as time out or a visit to administration, community service card or call home for violators.
I LOVE the idea of procedure based vs rule based classrooms. I was the naughty kid and YES, every rule earned a “challenge accepted” from me. I love procedures, my question always is: how to work very quickly with those bent on not following procedures. Giving them five minutes of my time is a sixth of my class: the same as a hour to a general teacher, and unfair to “the other 29”. I have to move fast, be consistent and be organized. PBIS hinders that. What ideas might you have?
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Note: I am not endorsing this approach in any way as I am unfamiliar. I just approve the comment.
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Here is why PBIS is not working for my son. He noticed another student was praised and rewarded in a major way in the class when she comforted another child by rubbing her back. But when my son modeled this same behavior to a sad boy, he was reprimanded , told to keep his hands to himself and move seats. He is young, and thought he was doing something good. Inconsistency. Confusion. I also feel the conniving, manipulative children may try to do things in front of adults to get the points. The pure hearted ones may not always get “seen” or “caught” doing positive things. Children are smart and catch on very easily to what is fair and what isn’t. My son is starting to feel discouraged. They also draw a few names from a hat of those who scored points in his class, maybe once a week, and they get a toy. How do I explain luck/the lottery to my child? There are many tears. Thank you for this article. I realized I’m not alone in the flaws I see in this system.
I have noticed that implementing individualized positive behavior plans in my classes with severe ASD/IND seems to cause a lot of prompt dependency and reward obsessions. The reward has to be meaningful to them to motivate them and a reward of their choosing looses its value when used often causing the constant need to collect more data and revise plans as the behaviors return. I spend way more time trying to implement these plans and collecting data than I do teaching. I do not feel we are doing these kids a good service as when they leave school, their good behaviors are not going to be praised every five minutes and rewards earned for things like not biting or smacking people, sitting calmly for 5 minutes, not removing their clothes or throwing things. Society will not react in our calm, patient, focus all mental energy on them way, Does anyone have any tips for working with severe and aggressive and socially unacceptable behaviors? I would do anything just about to help my students be successful but killing myself trying to implement and revise all individual plans with fidelity doesn’t appear to be worth the small, temporary, slight improvements in behavior that occur sometimes (like today he only smacked 5 people in the face when last week before the pbip he averaged 6)
Our school is implementing PBIS this year. I have experienced it at a previous school and am very concerned to see it starting at our current school. From a parent role how do I get the school to see the damage this will cause and reconsider the use of PBIS in the school?
First things first. If anyone is rewarding inappropriate behaviors, you’ve been doing it wrong. We reward the behaviors we want to see and these rewards were meant to be faded quickly to what is called natural reinforcers. The problem that I see is this, someone took ideas of behavior analysis put it into a framework, put it out there but it isn’t feasible for it to be effective because these strategies are not only complex and require formal training but also require fidelity, which no one actually conducts. I’m a behavior analyst. I’m autistic, I have three autistic kids. PBIS is not harmful. It’s just not implemented correctly. Like so many other things thrown at teachers and schools, no one takes the time to train properly, understand the science behind positive reinforcement versus punishment etc. Do I think this is a framework that can work across a school? Strategies yes, but behavior intervention is individualized and requires time for progress. Something public schools don’t do very well with.